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		<title>By: Steve Horn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jan. 21, 2009
I find it interesting that Mr. Simerson is completely quiet about what Ms. Jordina H. had to say.  Cat got your tongue Mr. Skeptical or are you busy chewing on your pad and pencil?!  It&#039;s a very sad state of affairs for YOUR Gospel; cause mine is as BIG as God!
Sincerely yours, S. Horn
P.S. When exactly did you backslide?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jan. 21, 2009<br />
I find it interesting that Mr. Simerson is completely quiet about what Ms. Jordina H. had to say.  Cat got your tongue Mr. Skeptical or are you busy chewing on your pad and pencil?!  It&#8217;s a very sad state of affairs for YOUR Gospel; cause mine is as BIG as God!<br />
Sincerely yours, S. Horn<br />
P.S. When exactly did you backslide?</p>
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		<title>By: micky</title>
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		<dc:creator>micky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good posting 

What exactly do these guys do with the money they make from donations ?

In the USA do they have to file some sort of tax return or because of the division of church and state do they slide out of having to have their finances exposed to public scrutiny.

I went to a recent &quot;healing&quot; event here in the UK and was amazed by the depth of desire to be healed of trivial things (such as a stiff shoulder) and was also amazed at the lack of any real accountability as to what was a healing - other than the person being asked on a scale of 0 to 100% how much better it felt&quot; 

They also had an impartation ceremony - what was interesting was that as the music got louder the more people seemed to feel the need to collapse afterwards.

Last question - how come people who need to be healed (such as those born handicapped) never seem to be those who are healed - probably as they are not lucrative money streams.

What I find particularly repulsive is how these characters get away with trading on peoples insecurities and promise them heaven on earth (as long as they donate to the cause - as they will be repaid many times over with god&#039;s generosity)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good posting </p>
<p>What exactly do these guys do with the money they make from donations ?</p>
<p>In the USA do they have to file some sort of tax return or because of the division of church and state do they slide out of having to have their finances exposed to public scrutiny.</p>
<p>I went to a recent &#8220;healing&#8221; event here in the UK and was amazed by the depth of desire to be healed of trivial things (such as a stiff shoulder) and was also amazed at the lack of any real accountability as to what was a healing &#8211; other than the person being asked on a scale of 0 to 100% how much better it felt&#8221; </p>
<p>They also had an impartation ceremony &#8211; what was interesting was that as the music got louder the more people seemed to feel the need to collapse afterwards.</p>
<p>Last question &#8211; how come people who need to be healed (such as those born handicapped) never seem to be those who are healed &#8211; probably as they are not lucrative money streams.</p>
<p>What I find particularly repulsive is how these characters get away with trading on peoples insecurities and promise them heaven on earth (as long as they donate to the cause &#8211; as they will be repaid many times over with god&#8217;s generosity)</p>
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		<title>By: c miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>c miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did you receive my testimony- I entered it and it said not a safe site</description>
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		<title>By: Jordina H.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordina H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Matt,

I hope this email can bring some balance and offer another view point on David Herzog&#039;s ministry.

As you recommended - I attended the meeting in Cadillac, MI. By nature I am a skeptical person and always verify every teaching with scripture.I enjoyed David&#039;s meetings. I confirmed everything David said with scripture and found nothing wrong with his teachings. I witnessed people getting saved and also witnessed several healings. Everything he said gave Glory to God and ultimately point to Jesus Christ. All that matters is that it Gives Glory to God. 

I myself recieved a healing. I was in a terrible car accident and almost lost my thumb, my wrist was split open. I had surgery on my hand and had no strength at all. In his meeting, I felt the power of God come on me like heat. Then I was able to do push ups on that hand and before the meeting I could barley pick up my daughter with that hand. Even the scaring began to fade away. 

In regard to donating money to his ministry, I saw no difference between his methods of taking up and offering and numerous other churches and ministries I&#039;ve been to in my life time. Every pastor, evangelist, revivalist and ministry has all done it pretty much the same way.

In regard to you not hearing reports from France about his meetings...here is an article below for review. 

OUTPOURING IN PARIS CONTINUES. Date: 14 Aug, 1998
Pastor Marc Lebrun  reports that the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in his Church in Paris, France, is still continuing. 107 people were saved in eight weeks of revival meetings with David Herzog. Around 6,000 people have visited the meetings. Some come from far in France. Every night more than 100 persons go to the altar to repent before God. Many physical healings were recorded like skin desease, backs, shoulders and arms, digestive problems, hearing problems, eyes, and much more. People were set free from boundages like cigarettes, alcohol, television and lust. Lebrun&#039;s Church will continue the daily revival meetings all trough the Summer.
Source: Joel News</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Matt,</p>
<p>I hope this email can bring some balance and offer another view point on David Herzog&#8217;s ministry.</p>
<p>As you recommended &#8211; I attended the meeting in Cadillac, MI. By nature I am a skeptical person and always verify every teaching with scripture.I enjoyed David&#8217;s meetings. I confirmed everything David said with scripture and found nothing wrong with his teachings. I witnessed people getting saved and also witnessed several healings. Everything he said gave Glory to God and ultimately point to Jesus Christ. All that matters is that it Gives Glory to God. </p>
<p>I myself recieved a healing. I was in a terrible car accident and almost lost my thumb, my wrist was split open. I had surgery on my hand and had no strength at all. In his meeting, I felt the power of God come on me like heat. Then I was able to do push ups on that hand and before the meeting I could barley pick up my daughter with that hand. Even the scaring began to fade away. </p>
<p>In regard to donating money to his ministry, I saw no difference between his methods of taking up and offering and numerous other churches and ministries I&#8217;ve been to in my life time. Every pastor, evangelist, revivalist and ministry has all done it pretty much the same way.</p>
<p>In regard to you not hearing reports from France about his meetings&#8230;here is an article below for review. </p>
<p>OUTPOURING IN PARIS CONTINUES. Date: 14 Aug, 1998<br />
Pastor Marc Lebrun  reports that the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in his Church in Paris, France, is still continuing. 107 people were saved in eight weeks of revival meetings with David Herzog. Around 6,000 people have visited the meetings. Some come from far in France. Every night more than 100 persons go to the altar to repent before God. Many physical healings were recorded like skin desease, backs, shoulders and arms, digestive problems, hearing problems, eyes, and much more. People were set free from boundages like cigarettes, alcohol, television and lust. Lebrun&#8217;s Church will continue the daily revival meetings all trough the Summer.<br />
Source: Joel News</p>
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		<title>By: matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris.

I&#039;d encourage you to go there with your camera, a note pad, and a set of scales. That&#039;s exactly what I&#039;d have done. In fact, arrive early and note who is around before the crowds. I don&#039;t think you will be treated poorly, that would not reflect well upon their mission or message.  You have nothing to lose. Document everything very well. If there is truly something miraculous going on, I&#039;ll eat my words, and the pen I wrote them with.

The circus tricks being performed at these &quot;revivals&quot; are nothing new. This kind of thing has been going on since the 1950&#039;s, and it always targets the same demographic, poorly educated, lower income, bible belt  Americans. Considering that it is nearly always born again, and again, and again Christians that are being &quot;saved&quot; at these revivals, one should begin to wonder exactly what purpose and whom are they serving?

As to whether anyone on earth is able to be used by Christ to perform miracles, the better question is, &quot;Is anyone performing miracles today being used by Christ?&quot; Everyone, including Jesus&#039; disciples wanted Him to use his supernatural powers to wow the crowds, but that is hardly the example Jesus left us with. He even went out of his way to warn of false prophets showing great signs and wonders.

Miracles are for circuses and magic acts. When it comes to religious leaders using stunts to win the affections of their audience, I am more than a little bit skeptical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d encourage you to go there with your camera, a note pad, and a set of scales. That&#8217;s exactly what I&#8217;d have done. In fact, arrive early and note who is around before the crowds. I don&#8217;t think you will be treated poorly, that would not reflect well upon their mission or message.  You have nothing to lose. Document everything very well. If there is truly something miraculous going on, I&#8217;ll eat my words, and the pen I wrote them with.</p>
<p>The circus tricks being performed at these &#8220;revivals&#8221; are nothing new. This kind of thing has been going on since the 1950&#8242;s, and it always targets the same demographic, poorly educated, lower income, bible belt  Americans. Considering that it is nearly always born again, and again, and again Christians that are being &#8220;saved&#8221; at these revivals, one should begin to wonder exactly what purpose and whom are they serving?</p>
<p>As to whether anyone on earth is able to be used by Christ to perform miracles, the better question is, &#8220;Is anyone performing miracles today being used by Christ?&#8221; Everyone, including Jesus&#8217; disciples wanted Him to use his supernatural powers to wow the crowds, but that is hardly the example Jesus left us with. He even went out of his way to warn of false prophets showing great signs and wonders.</p>
<p>Miracles are for circuses and magic acts. When it comes to religious leaders using stunts to win the affections of their audience, I am more than a little bit skeptical.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Moyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Moyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello, Matt.  I watched a few of David Herzog&#039;s online productions, and it just seemed to me that he was being truthful.  I guess maybe I&#039;m a bit naive, but I just don&#039;t understand how someone could purposefully use Jesus Christ&#039;s name for personal profit, the thought of it makes me sick.  I saw the supposed miracles that took place- for example one woman was laughing hysterically, trying to hold up her close, because she supposedly lost 70 pounds at the conference.  WHY THE HELL WOULD PEOPLE GO ALONG WITH DAVID???  Would such a woman be &quot;in on it&quot;, just a plant to bring other people to the services.  I just have a really hard time believing it is all fake...but at the same time I have lots of doubts.  So I emailed David and asked if I could bring a camera to his big tent revival that is taking place in Arizona in February.  I told him that I would interview a bunch of people before the revival, asking them what miracle they were seeking.  Then I told him that I would ask them to seek me out if their miracle took place- this would be solid, empiracle evidence that a miracle actually took place.  I didn&#039;t say anything to him, but if he says ok, I will probably even bring a scale, so I can weigh people after their supposed &quot;immediate weight loss&quot;.  I&#039;m not too enthusiastic that I might get a word back from him, so I might actually attempt to call him if too much time goes by.  What does he have to be afraid of, if he is actually doing miracles by the power of God.  I just don&#039;t understand how other people would either be so gullible or even go along with deceiving others for, what, a cut of the pay?  Sickening.  Anyway, Matt, do you think this is a good idea, or do you believe I&#039;m wasting my time and money to even attempt this?  I mean, certainly Christ must be able to heal today?  Do you believe there is anyone on the face of the earth who is able to be used by Christ to perform miracles.  I&#039;m very interested in this right now, please tell me what you think.  My email address is cmoyer_musician@yahoo.com
Thanks, Matt, and God Bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello, Matt.  I watched a few of David Herzog&#8217;s online productions, and it just seemed to me that he was being truthful.  I guess maybe I&#8217;m a bit naive, but I just don&#8217;t understand how someone could purposefully use Jesus Christ&#8217;s name for personal profit, the thought of it makes me sick.  I saw the supposed miracles that took place- for example one woman was laughing hysterically, trying to hold up her close, because she supposedly lost 70 pounds at the conference.  WHY THE HELL WOULD PEOPLE GO ALONG WITH DAVID???  Would such a woman be &#8220;in on it&#8221;, just a plant to bring other people to the services.  I just have a really hard time believing it is all fake&#8230;but at the same time I have lots of doubts.  So I emailed David and asked if I could bring a camera to his big tent revival that is taking place in Arizona in February.  I told him that I would interview a bunch of people before the revival, asking them what miracle they were seeking.  Then I told him that I would ask them to seek me out if their miracle took place- this would be solid, empiracle evidence that a miracle actually took place.  I didn&#8217;t say anything to him, but if he says ok, I will probably even bring a scale, so I can weigh people after their supposed &#8220;immediate weight loss&#8221;.  I&#8217;m not too enthusiastic that I might get a word back from him, so I might actually attempt to call him if too much time goes by.  What does he have to be afraid of, if he is actually doing miracles by the power of God.  I just don&#8217;t understand how other people would either be so gullible or even go along with deceiving others for, what, a cut of the pay?  Sickening.  Anyway, Matt, do you think this is a good idea, or do you believe I&#8217;m wasting my time and money to even attempt this?  I mean, certainly Christ must be able to heal today?  Do you believe there is anyone on the face of the earth who is able to be used by Christ to perform miracles.  I&#8217;m very interested in this right now, please tell me what you think.  My email address is <a href="mailto:cmoyer_musician@yahoo.com">cmoyer_musician@yahoo.com</a><br />
Thanks, Matt, and God Bless.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan Simerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jordan Simerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Oct 2006 04:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BUARGH ARGH BLAH BLAH BUAH! How dare you speak so harshly of this man! He is a true follower of...okay I cant bring myself to do it, but I tried, deep deep down but not so deep mostly obviously I agree, yes if only more people didnt agree to have wool pulled over their eyes, and yes that was obnoxious, but reading the article like a week ago and then forgetting to leave a comment made me this way, I want more updates on Kayla!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BUARGH ARGH BLAH BLAH BUAH! How dare you speak so harshly of this man! He is a true follower of&#8230;okay I cant bring myself to do it, but I tried, deep deep down but not so deep mostly obviously I agree, yes if only more people didnt agree to have wool pulled over their eyes, and yes that was obnoxious, but reading the article like a week ago and then forgetting to leave a comment made me this way, I want more updates on Kayla!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Simerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Simerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not in public. With one exception (and she knows who she is), every defense has been a frothing mad private email. Not a single person has defended him in public. It&#039;s almost like, deep down, they know I&#039;m right, and they hate me for it, because they want so hard to believe.

I have had some interesting emails and phone calls though, from folks who were similarly concerned. One, a most interesting call, was from a very skeptical person. The interesting part is that this person got to spend several hours with David. The author of the original email that instigated this, thinks my caller is a sold-out &quot;believer.&quot; 

It&#039;s no skin off my nose either way. Whether people believe and support this guy or not is their perogative. I tossed out a big red flag and that&#039;s about all I can do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not in public. With one exception (and she knows who she is), every defense has been a frothing mad private email. Not a single person has defended him in public. It&#8217;s almost like, deep down, they know I&#8217;m right, and they hate me for it, because they want so hard to believe.</p>
<p>I have had some interesting emails and phone calls though, from folks who were similarly concerned. One, a most interesting call, was from a very skeptical person. The interesting part is that this person got to spend several hours with David. The author of the original email that instigated this, thinks my caller is a sold-out &#8220;believer.&#8221; </p>
<p>It&#8217;s no skin off my nose either way. Whether people believe and support this guy or not is their perogative. I tossed out a big red flag and that&#8217;s about all I can do.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you experienced any backlash from this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you experienced any backlash from this?</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 20:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting... I didn&#039;t realize there were still people like this around. If I were closer, I&#039;d go for you and take excellent notes. I&#039;m sure I&#039;d be just as skeptical as you. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting&#8230; I didn&#8217;t realize there were still people like this around. If I were closer, I&#8217;d go for you and take excellent notes. I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;d be just as skeptical as you. <img src='http://matt.simerson.net/news/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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